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11 hours ago, Chill84 said:
# hits dmg results modified possible damage dmg per hit
1 1 3 3 3
2 1 3 3 1.5
3 2 4 4 1.333333
4 2 4 4 1
5 3 5 5 1
6 3,1 5,3 8 1.333333
7 3,1 5,3 8 1.142857
8 3,2 5,4 9 1.125
9 3,2 5,4 9 1
10 3,3 5,5 10 1
11 3,3,1 5,5,3 13 1.181818
12 3,3,1 5,5,3 13 1.083333
13 3,3,2 5,5,4 14 1.076923
14 3,3,2 5,5,4 14 1
15 3,3,3 5,5,5 15 1
16 3,3,3,1 5,5,5,3 18 1.125
17 3,3,3,1 5,5,5,3 18 1.058824
18 3,3,3,2 5,5,5,4 19 1.055556
19 3,3,3,2 5,5,5,4 19 1
20 3,3,3,3 5,5,5,5 20 1

The hits chart tops out at 19 max possible dice to roll on one of her attacks.
Tac 5 +4 DFA, +2 Frensi, +4 other teammates crowding out, +2 eye spy, +2 singled out(grudge match) +1 bonus time.  The tac boosting plan does not affect captains, but if 2 more dice could be found (attacking a def 2 model that is KD and snared) max possible damage in one hit goes to 23.

Magical christmas graph.  The big damage spike breakpoints where a new wrap starts will be a useful key to unlocking her power.  There are cases where, because of the holes in her playbook, a crowd out or a singled out might not be needed to change her damage output.

Similarly, attacking armored model when you have 11 dice your damage max drops 3 points.  
 

Don’t forget the Def penalty for dirty knives!

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10 hours ago, Starlight said:

Don’t forget the Def penalty for dirty knives!

Yep, I just read on discord that someone has DK, I noted it. Max theoretical damage in 1 hit would be... 24.  Unfortunately shove the boot in won't grant her floored.

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Here I put more statistical info about Devana.

First of all, all we'll agree that the sweet spot with Devana with an Attack is getting 6 net-hits. With 6 net-hits, Devana gets her first wrap, with an important increase in her damage output. Every wrap is desirable with her but getting the second wrap (11 net-hits) is either statistically unlikely or it would require an excessive setup in Influence and activation terms.

    ARMOR
    0 1 2 3 4
DEFENSE 2+ 7,2 8,4 9,6 10,8 12
3+ 9 10,5 12 13,5 15
4+ 12 14 16 18 20
5+ 18 21 24 27 30
6+ 36 42 48 54 60

Necessary TAC to assure at least a 50% success rate to get 6 of more net-hits with 1 Attack

I used the expected value definition for binomial distributions to make this chart:

Net-hits expected = [TAC * (7-Defense) / 6 ] - Armor

This value allows us to calculate quickly the median (that's it, half of the times you will get a lower (or equal) result than the median, half of the times you will get an upper (or equal) one).

OK, let's interpret this chart. I'm going to assume Devana needs at least 2 requirements to consider her minimally prepared: the target is within a Harrier AOE and engaged by Frelsi. That means she makes the Attack with TAC 11 (base-TAC 5 + DOA 4 + Frelsi 2). So, the chart indicates us she will have at least a 50% success rate to get 6 net-hits against DEF 3+, ARM 1 (or worse) and DEF 2+, ARM 3 (or worse) objectives.

Some conclusions I can get:

  • 50% of success rate is pretty unreliable (like tossing a coin or scoring a goal with 1 dice).
  • Devana will need a greater setup than the expected. Without help, Devana can't Attack reliably against DEF 4+ or greater enemy models (without spending her Legendary).
  • It's preferable to lower the enemy DEF (with KDs , snareds or Dirty Knives) than to gain more TAC (Spy Eye, Gang-Ups).
  • Careful with Momentum gain: the 5th-column 3 DMG result doesn't generate any MP.

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On 5/12/2018 at 4:33 AM, Petraites said:

Here I put more statistical info about Devana.

First of all, all we'll agree that the sweet spot with Devana with an Attack is getting 6 net-hits. With 6 net-hits, Devana gets her first wrap, with an important increase in her damage output. Every wrap is desirable with her but getting the second wrap (11 net-hits) is either statistically unlikely or it would require an excessive setup in Influence and activation terms.

    ARMOR
    0 1 2 3 4
DEFENSE 2+ 7,2 8,4 9,6 10,8 12
3+ 9 10,5 12 13,5 15
4+ 12 14 16 18 20
5+ 18 21 24 27 30
6+ 36 42 48 54 60

Necessary TAC to assure at least a 50% success rate to get 6 of more net-hits with 1 Attack

I used the expected value definition for binomial distributions to make this chart:

Net-hits expected = [TAC * (7-Defense) / 6 ] - Armor

This value allows us to calculate quickly the median (that's it, half of the times you will get a lower (or equal) result than the median, half of the times you will get an upper (or equal) one).

OK, let's interpret this chart. I'm going to assume Devana needs at least 2 requirements to consider her minimally prepared: the target is within a Harrier AOE and engaged by Frelsi. That means she makes the Attack with TAC 11 (base-TAC 5 + DOA 4 + Frelsi 2). So, the chart indicates us she will have at least a 50% success rate to get 6 net-hits against DEF 3+, ARM 1 (or worse) and DEF 2+, ARM 3 (or worse) objectives.

Some conclusions I can get:

  • 50% of success rate is pretty unreliable (like tossing a coin or scoring a goal with 1 dice).
  • Devana will need a greater setup than the expected. Without help, Devana can't Attack reliably against DEF 4+ or greater enemy models (without spending her Legendary).
  • It's preferable to lower the enemy DEF (with KDs , snareds or Dirty Knives) than to gain more TAC (Spy Eye, Gang-Ups).
  • Careful with Momentum gain: the 5th-column 3 DMG result doesn't generate any MP.

I don't really understand entries like "7,2" - is that European for seven and two tenths? Plus, YEAH! Hearth can EAT IT!!!

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1 hour ago, landstander said:

I don't really understand entries like "7,2" - is that European for seven and two tenths? Plus, YEAH! Hearth can EAT IT!!!

Yes, it's a decimal separator.

You have aroused my curiosity and I have investigated a little. It turns out that depends on the country.

Generally speaking, countries that uses the imperial system of measures also uses the point as a decimal separator, meanwhile countries that uses the international system uses the coma for that end.

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4 hours ago, Petraites said:

Yes, it's a decimal separator.

You have aroused my curiosity and I have investigated a little. It turns out that depends on the country.

Generally speaking, countries that uses the imperial system of measures also uses the point as a decimal separator, meanwhile countries that uses the international system uses the coma for that end.

Great. I assumed that must be the case, given the values of your chart. And all I want... is to be able to take out Hearth. (and I won't get started on the stupidity that is the two ways to represent decimal values)

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3 hours ago, landstander said:

Great. I assumed that must be the case, given the values of your chart. And all I want... is to be able to take out Hearth. (and I won't get started on the stupidity that is the two ways to represent decimal values)

Everyone has the right to use whatever decimal seperator they wish, without being discrimated against by those that use the incorrect comma! ;)

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