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So for the first time I chose to tactically kick the ball out of bounds with Fish. I had 3 players yet to activate in the middle of the pitch and had gotten all of the other player's models to the sides. I hadn't planned on the strategy but I was up 10-4 with 2 models basically dead and the ball in a scary location near my goal. I kicked it out and the ball scattered exactly where I needed it to get two models to set it up for the win. Excited about the win but later felt kinda dirty about it. I know that it is in the rules and the other guys shouldn't have ceded the middle of the field (he's brand new to the game, maybe 5 or 6 games but first time with this guild) but it still made me wonder if kicking the ball out of bounds in an effort to recover seemed fair.

After not really coming to a reasonable moral conclusion I thought I'd ask everyone else for their opinions. Do you guys think the ball scattering from center is the way to play this? Is it still fair in wake of the season of footballers? Would throw ins being resolved from the side they were kicked out on (similar to actual football) be more reasonable? Is a goal kick for the opposing player possibly more fair in an instance that the ball leaves the pitch after a pass a good alternative? Do I need to get over myself and accept that it is a viable strategic option and advantage of it? What do you guys think?

EDIT: To clarify before anyone asks I did indeed kick it to a spot on the pitch and let the scatter do the work.

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Would a throw in be more reasonable and fair? Probably so. Something like placing the kick scatter template to the sideline where the ball left the pitch and resolving the scatter using a x2 multiplier to distance (just a rushed idea). 

Is kicking the ball off the pitch to have it scattered from the center currently a viable strategic option and a legit move? Absolutely, don't be shy to use it to your advantage for the same can expectedly be employed against you. ;)

This kind of "out of the box" plays usually leave the feeling as if you've been cheated when someone does it to you, but exactly the same plays are eventually the greatest source of your progress as a player. Get tricked = learn a trick. :)

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I would not worry about it. I won a tournament game in January doing exactly this - Vitriol stole the ball from Greece, killed him, and then kicked the ball off the edge - my opponents models were all on this side of the board and I reasoned the worst a bad scatter gave me was giving him the ball back, whereas a good scatter was basically an open goal. It's kind of rare for it not to be a risk though unless you are utterly dominating the centre - I don't really see a problem with it at all though.

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I have Puppet Mastered an opponent to kick off the pitch... Prevented a goal run and would have set me up for a goal if it hadn't scattered 6/6 :(

I felt a bit bad doing it, but then in a game where beating opponents half to death is a valid tactic, kicking the ball off for a throw in seems legit ;)

 

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I see no reason to feel guilty about using rules knowledge. I had a tournament game last month where I planned on using it for the win but dice happened in a better way and i didn't have to. My opponent thought I was going to as well. 

The only slight issue is that as a new player they maybe/probably haven't really read the rules and weren't aware of the rule. 

Are your proposed changes more fair? I think not any more or less than it already is. Any "ball comes in from this location" rule has the same result as currently: have characters in a location ready to punish this tactic if it looks like a good one to use. 

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7 hours ago, Ik-tornado said:

Are your proposed changes more fair? I think not any more or less than it already is. Any "ball comes in from this location" rule has the same result as currently: have characters in a location ready to punish this tactic if it looks like a good one to use. 

The opposing player needs some control of where the ball is returned to play, much like a Goal Kick for it to have any "punishing" effect for intentionally kicking out of bounds.

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5 minutes ago, LunarSol said:

The opposing player needs some control of where the ball is returned to play, much like a Goal Kick for it to have any "punishing" effect for intentionally kicking out of bounds.

Most of the time my fish have faster access to the middle of the pitch than 10+scatter from my goal. If they know the rules they know it goes in the center and they get access to the next activation. I don't think there should be a built in punishing effect, it should just be punished by playing well.

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I think this is analogous to situations in real sports where a team finds a benefit, in a specific situation, to committing a rules infraction or carrying out a play that would normally be considered an error or a mistake.  

IMO I think of it as a basketball player committing a foul late in the game to force the other team to not run the clock out. Its similar to a pitcher in baseball intentionally walking someone or a wide receiver committing flagrant pass interference to thwart an easy interception.  

Rules in sports are always bent or twisted to a players advantage.  If you just accept that its a part of how the game is played, I don't think there is anything unsporting.  You aren't really exploiting anything unfairly, you are simply letting the rules of the game work to your advantage.  Which is definitely the skill that playing the game is intended to measure.  

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As has been said, no need to feel bad about this. The ball could very easily have scattered favorably for your opponent, at least in theory. It's just using the rules fairly but unconventionally.

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I think the only change I might make is to allow the player who didn't choose to make the ball go off the field to reroll the scatter.

Makes sense to me that if one team kicks the ball off, the other team should get to throw it back on.

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I played hockey as a kid.  I also watch soccer.  In both sports launching the puck/ball out of play to avoid a dicey situation is a fairly common tactic, and nobody thinks of it as dirty or underhanded.  In soccer, the other team gains possession.  In hockey, it results in a face-off which could lead to either team getting possession.  I don't think there's anything wrong with the way it's handled in guildball.  I guess maybe you could move the scatter around the table depending on where the ball went out, or from where it was launched (that would approximate the situation in hockey where the face-off moves from one dot to another), but I'm not certain that it would be worth the confusion.

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4 hours ago, Frankanelli said:

I think this is analogous to situations in real sports where a team finds a benefit, in a specific situation, to committing a rules infraction or carrying out a play that would normally be considered an error or a mistake.  

You should've have seen England vs Italy Six Nations 2017 rugby match, when the Italians literally abused the wily difference for offside during a tackle and a ruck, times and times again, for the whole half of the match.

It was so hilarious to watch, especially the referee's reaction to the English complaints: "What? They play by the laws..." :D 
 

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21 minutes ago, Desertspiral said:

Are you guys kidding me, Australias national sport AFL is all about kissing out of bounds. 

Freud?

Underarm bowl, never forget.

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11 hours ago, JS said:

Freud?

Underarm bowl, never forget.

Haha, the slip is real!  I meant kicking and 'Siri' got the better of me again that devilish Minx.  

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